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I am not sure if am being particularly sensitive to this issue -- therefore noticing it everywhere -- or if it is becoming a more widespread chat. Speaking of this issue of "situated knowledge", a guest-bloger on Leiter's blog has a post on this. His conclusion about styles is not either original or convincing (BL also put something on same note in the "Comments"). But I found the first paragraph, particularly the idea of "pragmatic encroachment" to be interesting.
Dreyfus' article in APA proceedings
if you haven't yet had the chance to take a look at hubert dreyfus' presidential address in the latest apa proceedings, i'd encourage you to do so. it's a very interesting little piece on reconciliations in analytic and continental philosophy, largely by way of merleau-ponty. he deals there with the issue of "embodied coping" in the world, and particularly "master"-level coping.

in doing so, he actually has recourse to a text that some of us know from walter's "phenomgonlogy and the greek" (sic) class: heidegger's lecture course on plato's sophist, and the discussion of phronesis and the phronimos there. dreyfus' argument is that this coping is not conceptual in character, in fact not even unconsciously so. i.e. the master chess player doesn't act according to conceptual rules that have been made unconscious, or even really any rules at all -- instead, she has recourse to, as aristotle puts it in nic. ethics vi, a kind of perceptual nous, an intuitive grasping of the concrete situation we're in. so when the master tries to describe what made her act as she did, she can only reconstruct retroactively a kind of general account, not actually a set of formal rules.

anyway, he actually cites a couple of interesting empirical studies on this front, as well. his claim is that while analytics have (largely) been working on the "upper floors" of conceptuality (he has a nice version of merleau-ponty's critique of intellectualism that he calls the "Myth of the Mental," which he says preys like a vulture on the carcass of the "Myth of the Given,"), phenomenologists have (again, largely) been working on the lower floors of working out a notion of embodied coping. Both, he argues, would benefit from working out more clearly how the upper floors of conceptuality develop out of the lower floors, however.

i'd be curious to hear what some of you think about the article. i do tend to think that one thing he's missing is a more nuanced view of how language factors in to this embodied coping -- he seems to me to be treating this coping as not only a non-conceptual, but even a non-linguistic kind of thing. i think it would also be interesting to bring kant's account of the genius in the Critique of Judgment to bear on this account.
I don't think anyone would mistake me for an analytic philosopher, but ... (response to an earlier post)
Well, I don't think that anyone would mistake me for an analytic philosopher (aside from the large community of analytic Heideggerian poetologists at Oxford), but . . .

Your anticipation not withstanding, Joe, I think that I am largely in agreement with at least one interpretation of the first claim:

1) Provided we give "know-how" a broad enough meaning (hopefully not so broad that it becomes vacuous . . .) I think that we would end up with a good description of the way in which most 20th century philosophers are (and ought to be) commited to a certain kind of nominalism (I suspect that this interpretation would no longer be stictu sensu a form of pragmatism, giving some credence to Joe's anticipation of my possible recalcitrance). That is to say, philosophical thought is a praxis whose concepts don't have meaning apart from the linguistic communities that employ them . . . but, as John points out, at this point we're in pretty broad terrain. To my mind, this doesn't make it an unimportant claim nor even historically unilluminating. It strikes me that this first claim would be a little like saying that 17th and 18th century rationalists all held that the truth of a judgment depended upon proper use of the faculty of reason, whose development was critical for the progress of science and philosophy. This is both true and an essential part of their project, but doesn't really distinguish them from empiricists, for whom it is still true, and still important, but in a strikingly different way.

I guess I'm not clear how what we'd be talking about differs in a substantive way from the so-called linguistic turn, which cuts across the analytic-continental divide. . . This explains why the poor Husserlians don't make the cut (maybe somebody who knows more about Deleuze than I do can tell me if Deleuzians —- or Deleuzers? —- do). Similarly, I think you'd be hard pressed to impute any interpretation of what Fodor is calling semantic pragmatism to someone like Frege, or even to early versions of logical positivism and logical atomism (although the day I claim to be an expert in pre-analytic philosophy, hell will have already been frozen over for some time —- and deep apologies for this aside, I really enjoy using the future perfect tense and try to find cases where it is relevant, as you will have noticed it was here). Incidentally, while I agree with both of you that the second claim of Fodor is both obviously wrong and not a good description of very many philosophers, I do take it that a version of this claim was actually endorsed by the logical positivists, for whom, if I am not mistaken, the rules of inference were ontologically distinct from empirical investigations, and the exclusive proper object of philosophy (Philosophy didn’t get to decide what was shown, just what could properly be said about that which was shown . . . )

2) (I bet that by now you will have forgotten that there had been a number 1). If, however, you mean something narrower, then I take it this point becomes more debatable as an interpretation of either analytic or continental philosophy (it also becomes an inappropriate goal for what I will follow Heidegger in pretentiously calling ‘The Task of Thinking’ —- as an aside to any e-passers-by who don’t know me and think it’s insufferably pretentious, please be assured that my tongue is thoroughly ensconced in my cheek. To borrow a phrase from Al Franken, I’m “kidding on the square”).

If we interpret “know-how” more narrowly to refer to how to pragmatically engage in a (non-conceptual? or non-linguistic?) world, this seems to me not to describe a good deal at least of what I take some continental philosophers to be up to (and from the little, and admittedly idiosyncratic, bit that I know about analytic trends in the philosophy of science and cognitive science, I take it that it would no longer describe all, or even most, analytic philosophers either). To stick with Heidegger, for example, even in Being and Time, it isn’t simply the case that use-relations constitute Dasein’s primary relationship to the world. It’s certainly true, as we’ve all heard countless times, that in Division One, he argues that this is the primary form that Dasein’s everyday relationship to the world takes, and he takes it as the proper task of philosophy to explicate the meaning of this relationship. But even in Being and Time, before Heidegger sells the farm —- if that’s the word I’m looking for —— as Ryle, Dreyfus and so many others seem to have seen it, the meaning of these pragmatic relationships isn’t itself necessarily understood pragmatically, but linguistically. I’m thinking in particular of the end of Chapter Five of Part Two, where Heidegger is talking about historicality. Two quick asides before I try to wrap up a comment that is already far-too-long. 1) This same section will also be one of the few places where Heidegger discusses what he calls the temporality of concept-formation and the place where he most directly engages the questions this post is discussing in language that might be comprehensible to the larger philosophical community. 2) Although this chapter is crucial to the hermeneutic tradition, this also serves to distinguish Heidegger from the hermeneutic answer which, while less cognitivist than the position we’re discussing here, is thoroughly ensconced in the interpretation of philosophy as principally a praxis. This is because the temporality of discourse, which underwrites how we discuss and understand Dasein’s historicality, should be understood on the horizon of the present (through the phenomenon of dating) rather than the past . . . It’s not that our conceptual and pragmatic relationships to the world are thoroughly ensconced in the historical configurations of language that we think in, it’s that we think in historical configurations because we are beings whose projects project themselves onto the past. In this way, I think he might be able to avoid some of the scruples you all are expressing with too-broad a usage of the work language. As an aside to this aside, it’s interesting to note that in Being and Time, all of this is the task of philosophy, which would mean that Heidegger goes through the “linguistic turn” before he undergoes the “poetic turn” which supposedly happens simultaneously. My deepest apologies for such a long aside).

If I have a point here, and it’s debatable whether or not I do, it’s that the transformation of philosophy into practical philosophy isn’t necessarily the done deal that we’ve been assured that it is. Even if we endorse a version of what I would prefer to call “nominalism” and not pragmatism, and say that the meaning of our concepts is given only through some sort of intersubjective consensus (another concept which cuts across the analytic-continental tradition), this doesn’t necessarily entail our accepting the position that all meanings are therefore pragmatic. I take it that this is important insofar as twentieth century critiques of metaphysics (be they the critiques of Quine or of Derrida) largely depend upon such a move. Kant said that nothing moved him so much as the starry skies above and the moral law within. (My apologies for being to lazy to go look up the exact wording). My concern is that we post-metaphysical philosophers (urban-dwellers that we are) have let the bright lights of the big city blind us to even remembering that there are starry skies above. To paraphrase someone else (I’ve forgotten who), we’ve forgotten that there are ontological questions worth forgetting about . . .

I remember a discussion we had several years back, Joe, where I think we were in agreement that the ultimate horizon for understanding the meanings (and truth) of things was something like intersubjective verification, given not by an ideal community, but by factually existing socio-political communities. Where we differed (and correct me if I’m wrong) was that you took this to mean that ultimately, the value of all questions ought to be referred to the life of these communities (we only care about questions insofar as they pertain to humanity), whereas I didn’t want to make this move (while language, truth and meaning might be only possible within a community of human beings, the meaning of humanity can still be in a sense ecstatic, oriented beyond itself to questions that don’t pertain to us at all except for insofar as we are the ones being so oriented.) If I’ve understood you correctly, I’d be tempted to say that you were endorsing what we are here calling semantic pragmatism, and I was endorsing what I think I’ll call (referring to another conversation we had) neo-metaphysical nominalism or critical ontology.

I hope that some of this pertains to some of what we are talking about.
Am I really an Analytic Philosopher?
I know that we love to hate him (and given that we are SPEP members, we are pretty much academic dirt in his view), but Brian Leiter can put some pretty interesting stuff on his blog.
Anyway, by following some links on his blog I came to an old post titled "What is Analytic Philosophy?," which contains Jerry Fodor's thoughts on that subject. In the post, Fodor says the following (this is long, but bear with me):

"there are a couple of theses that major US and UK philosophers have more or less agreed about (mostly implicitly, to be sure) over the last fifty years or so, and that have largely shaped the landscape of philosophical discussions...

"The first is semantic pragmatism: the idea that intensional content is to be explicated as some sort of `know how'... The typical avatar of this view is the thesis that concept possession is something like knowing how to evaluate inferences whose validity turns on the concept, and/or knowing how to sort things that the concept applies to...
The second is the methodological doctrine that philosophy does (or should) procede by the method of `semantic ascent'; that is by translating metaphysical questions (eg. how does perception work) into questions of conceptual analysis (`how do we use the word `see'; or `what is the concept of seeing'. The translation is supposed to underwrite the (putative) a priority of philosohical theses, and the (putative) fact that philosophy is a game that anyone can play (`you don't need to be a psychologist to understand how seeing works; we ALL have the concept SEE (and/or we ALL know how to use the world)."

Fodor then goes on to say that he disagrees with both, in rather dismissive fashion. Anyway, I think this is interesting, particularly when considering his first "methodological doctrine." Is it not the case, when we consider the general view described above, that the majority of 20th Century Continental philosophers are "semantic pragmatists"? Any existential phenomenologist (and most prominently Heidegger and Merleau-Ponty) clearly is, I think. So have we actually been doing analytic philosophy all along?
The second "methodological doctrine", on the other hand, strikes me as being so asinine that I feel certain that Fodor is beating a straw man. It also strikes me as obviously not fitting with semantic pragmatism. If you really believe that "knowing that" is dependent upon some prethematic "know how", and that "know how" is really understood in a pragmatic sense as being related to some kind of doing or being in the world, conceptual analysis would have to be tied to some broadly empirical investigation, viz. the laying out (Auslegung!!) of that being in the world. Certainly only a hard-core Husserlian who believes in the most "platonic" interpretation of Husserl's "eidos" or "a priori history" would think that that "auslegung" could be wholly non-empirical (when "empirical" is taken in the most general sense).

Anyway, does this make sense? Am I possibly missinterpreting the quote from Fodor here? This is more to me than a passing question, I would say, insofar as I put a lot of importance on the idea of phenomenology being a kind of conceptual analysis based on a semantic pragmatism...